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Meeting - Very Good

Post by The Welshman on Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:53 pm

Hi chaps

Well the meeting went very well, IMO. Good presentations, good discussions, good banter and a good amount of ale consumed.

We talked about a number of issues, including fish care, vision for the fishery, baiting up, etiquette, rules, swims which can't be moved out of. Dean, Ron and Dan got up and talked about the products and bait that they sell, and all in all, I reckon it was a great night all round. About 25 people attended, which was fantastic.

I had one action, which revolved around providing information on the correct way to prepare particles. Please find below:

Particle, Pre-soak minimum (hours), Boil/Simmer (minutes)

TIGER NUTS 24 30
MINI TIGER NUTS 24 30
JUMBO TIGER NUTS 24 30
CHICK PEAS 12-18 30
HEMP SEED 24 Until kernels split
LARGE HEMP SEED 24 Until kernels split
TARES 12-18 30
MAPLE PEAS 12-18 30
MILO 6 30
FRENCH MAIZE 24 30
BUCK WHEAT 6 10
GRADED WHEAT 6 15
GRADED BARLEY 6 15
PEANUT KERNELS 24 30
ADZUKI BEANS 24 30
WHOLE BRAZILS 24 30
BROKEN BRAZILS 12-18 30
HARICOT BEANS 12-18 30
RED KIDNEY BEANS 12-18 30
PINTO BEANS 12-18 30
SOYA BEANS 12-18 30
BIRD MIXES * 6 15
MAIZE 12-18 30
RED MAIZE 24 30
SWEET LUPINS 24 30


NOTES

1. Hemp - during certain times of the year, when hemp becomes difficult to split, follow the above process and then wash it with fresh water, pour boiling water back onto it and leave it to soak in a bucket or pail until it splits (maybe a further 24-48hrs). Donít panic it will split!

2. When any product is boiled or heat treated the molecular structure and nutritional profile (including attraction properties) are denatured and damaged. This means that the less boiling time required to make the particles suitable for use, the better. However, it is vital to ensure particle baits are correctly prepared to avoid fish damage. Therefore, pre-soak particles for longer than usual, making required boiling times shorter.

3. To improve attraction properties, leave the boiled particles to soak and partly ferment in their naturally occurring sugars that remain in the boiling water. After several days certain particles will start to form a caramelising liquid that makes the final particle much more attractive.

4. Tiny particles such as hemp, wheat, barley, dari, rapeseed, or mixes of tiny birdseeds, can also be prepared by putting in a lidded bucket or coolbox overnight, with boiling water added.

5. Maximising soaking times and minimising boil times will result in better nutrient levels in the finished particles. Most particles can be soaked for up to a week before boiling,

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Post by Jaseyb on Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:29 pm

hi keith
what was the out come of baiting up,etiquette,rules and swim that carnt be moved out of?
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Post by Ryan on Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:28 pm

I really wanted to make it to this meeting but couldn't. Anychance of some minutes Keith?

Also whats a swim that cant be moved out of?

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Post by richie-mac on Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:43 pm

how you all doing sounds like i missed a good night. I'll try and catch up over the week end if your about Keith and maybe condense the meeting into an hour or so Wink cheers
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Post by The Welshman on Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:00 pm

OK. Bare in mind that I didn't abstain from alcohol last night, so this isn't chapter and verse:

1. Baiting Up (done by John H and me)........

Preparation of bait is very very important, hence the e-mail about particles, soak and boil times.

Tigers - we discussed what advice we'd had from Viv and Simon at Sparsholt, and the message is moderation, both in terms of baiting up and fishing. Tarde is a fairly relaxed fishery when it comes to bait rules, but the use of tigers will be watched by the bailiffs, and if we feel it's an issue, we may have to do something about it. For now, it's as you were.

Baiting up when not fishing (i.e. in preparation for fishing).......it's a chance you take that someone may drop into the swim you've been baiting up, when you intend to fish it. It's happened to most of us at some point, and it's hard luck. The issue around purposely fishing over someone else's bait was raised, and although it's not a rule (and is impossible to "police") the majority thought that they wouldn't do it knowingly. Fair points. Also, if an angler goes up the Res, and there's someone fishing close to where you want to pre-bait, then at very least, go and have a word to see if the person fishing has a problem with you chucking it in closeby. Again, most people said that they wouldn't bait up, if there was someone near to where they intended to put the bait in.


RULES

A new set of rules will be posted up here soon (I'll get the off John Howard who's drafted them). These new rules will include the swims that you can't move out of, without winding in. Off the top of my head, the swims which you are NOT allowed to move out of, without pulling the rods in are as follows:

* House
* Pylons
* Drop Off
* Tench
* Stoney Island
* Island
* Lond Run Way
* Short Run Way
* Net

Please don't quote me on the above swims, but I ***THINK** these are the ones off the top of my head.


* ETIQUETTE (Bones and Daz did this)

All about communicating and chatting to other anglers before doing something that may piss someone off. The hope is that the turnover of members will reduce, given the fish weights, the improvement of swims etc etc, and so that the membership will become "closer" and have that natural bond. If anyone wants to do something which they're unsure about, then ask a bailiff or Russ. The other word that was mentioned was respect...for your fellow anglers/members.


* FISHCARE (John H and Davvy did this)

Net, unhooking mat, weigh sling, water and carp care kit MUST be set up prior to chucking the rods out from now on. All anglers to help the captor to take care of the fish (with water/weighing etc). Self take photography set ups will become compulsary next season (Russ). John showed his self take set up, as did Davvy (who got the piss ripped out of him by some gobshite, saying he hadn't had a chance to use it yet !!!)

I **suggested** that it may be worth us having a pair of scissors by your rods, so that once a fish has been netted, the captor can quickly and easily cut the mainline, so you can (a) dump the rod (b) makes carrying the netted fish easier (i.e. two hands on the net, as opposed to one on the net and one to carry the rod and (c) most importantly, as the net gets wrapped up, the fish doesn't get "hung" as the line gets wrapped up in the net. Also makes it easier to ensure the fins are against the fish's body. Just a suggestion, but it's something that I've incorporated into my fishing this season, and it makes things much easier all round. It just needs a new knot tying onto your leader/leadcore etc, prior to re-chucking the rod (1 minute max, and no "hung" fish with mouth damage).

FISHERY

Russ talked about his plan moving forward, and I would rather leave that for him to perhaps add to this thread (Russ - may be worth bullet pointing your thoughts ??). I went to the bar, and then to the bog whilst Russ was doing this, so I wasn't party to it. I know what Russ has in mind but it's best if you get this "from the horse's mouth, so to speak".

I'll also put the presentation up that was rolling in the background. Apologies to anyone who felt "left out" (i.e. there weren't any pictures of them), but some pictures just would upload into the Powerpoint presentation and I couldn't figure out how to do it. Sorry.

If anyone wants to add stuff to my comments, then please feel free, as I didn't take notes, and this is just off the top of my head.

Special mention for The Birdy Man who was ABSOLUTELY CLATTERED by the end of night, lying on the floor on his back in the car park. Fair play, son.

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Post by The Welshman on Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:20 pm

Presentation?
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Post by carpsy04 on Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:53 am

sounds like it was a good night all round then sorry i wasn't there stuck at bloody work till 10pm look forward to having a chat up the res when im up there next....

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Post by Ryan on Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:22 pm

Cheers Keith

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